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2021 LEGEND SERIES RULES

Last updated on 5 years ago
Ken
Thanks Chuck. My car has made a few lap here and there, but nothing approaching a race yet.
Chuck
My Ford is at 105 grams, my Chevy right now is 80 grams. Both ran very stable on Jon's oval track a couple weeks back. The Ford got me on the podium with a second place finish behind Gary's Legend. Hope that helps.
Ken
Anybody brave enough to tell a guy who doesn't have access to a test track how much their Legend weighs?
The Saw
Tire Rules edited 6/5/21.
KurtN
I really don't want to open a can of worms, but Jon and I are open to discussing silicone tires as an alternate to the Paul Gage tires. We believe a lot of the issues people are having with the handling of the Legend cars can be directly related to the grip (or lack there of) of the Paul Gage urethanes. I know we've all bought a pair (or 6) of the Paul Gage tires, but I think this is something we really need to discuss. We would also allow either Super Tires or Quick Slicks since we know there are people who have already bought both of those brands as well.
B
I've bought and trued the Paul Gage tires. I don't think changing the rules again is a good idea. Plus we still haven't run the Ford vs Ferrari series.
R
Quick slicks has introduced a new tire FOR the Legends Kit (PN150F). Since this series may not happen for a month or three from now, we have time to consider changes to the rules for tires....or anything else. I am FOR relaxing the 'SPEC ' nature of tire choice.
Larry Kelley
The Saw
Please direct all Legends Series questions to either Kurt Nank or Jon Toussaint.
gunslinger1352
Thank you also Denny.
D
So just like Ken indicated, I'm using a black weatherstrip adhesive I get from an auto parts store.

I coat the entire outer diameter of the wheel with it and then slip the tire on. You want to make sure you get glue on the outer radius of the wheel so the tire does not try to peel off during cornering. After you mount the tire, some glue squeeze out will happen and you must wipe the excess off so there is no external visible trace of any glue. I have the wheel locked on to an axle when i do this. Then I clamp the axle in a vise and spin the tire on the wheel to evenly spread out the glue between the tire and the wheel. After the glue is dried, I true the tire.

I have found, on the rare occasion, when I remove a glued tire from a wheel, I can remove the remaining glue from the wheel with a round wire brush chucked up in my Dremel. But usually, when I glue a tire to a wheel, it is there for life.

Thanks Ken, I didn't know that about urethane tires.
The greatest threat to our future success is believing what we are doing today will be good enough to win tomorrow!!!
The Saw
Rules amended 10/8 to allow longer screw needed for guide flag.
J

Ken wrote: ↑

@Ken - Jon,

I will be at coffee and cars Saturday, tires ordered one the P1 website, please bring them with you.


Got it! Thank you.

I’ll get there around 9:30 I’m thinking.
Ken
Jon,

I will be at coffee and cars Saturday, tires ordered one the P1 website, please bring them with you.
J

Ken wrote: ↑

@Ken - Both compounds, and which diameters?


I have both compounds and the three diameters. Limited stock at the moment. $4.50 per pair. I should have them available on https://p1slotcars.com later tonight.

Soft, Shore A 20 10mm width, 3mm wide rib extra deep
XPG-21103XD 21mm
XPG-22103XD 22mm
XPG-23103XD 23mm

Firm, Shore A 40 10mm width, 3mm wide rib extra deep
PGT-21103XD 21mm
PGT-22103XD 22mm
PGT-23103XD 23mm
Ken
Coffee and cars track time runs from 9-noon and some racing will break out?
Ken
Both compounds, and which diameters?
J
I will have some Paul Gage tires for the Legend cars in stock next week. I will be at Coffee & Cars at Meadowdale on 10/3 if anyone needs any.
gunslinger1352
Thanks 😊
Ken
Virtually every series we have ever run has had a spec tire, this one is no different. The person who is kind enough to run the series picks a tire and we use it. We have had many Super Tire series, a couple Quick Slick series, at least one stock rubber tire series, this time it's Paul Gage tires. I know it isn't what we're used to, but it keeps the racing close. At least if you already bought other tires you can use them on something else of change them after the series, I ran out and bought tiger milk and NSR tire oil cause I thought we were going to run stock rubber, now I have like $15 worth of tire treatment that I will probably never use, but I'm not complaining.

As far a gluing is concerned, I use Permatex Flowable Silicone, also known as Windshield and Glass sealant. It's is a nice thin silicone, so you don't get globs of silicone that don't let the tire seat nicely, and when you want to take them off, it isn't a big deal and clean up is generally pretty easy. Put a thin bead in the groove in the tire, slide it on the wheel carefully so you don't apply too much pressure in any one spot, then I roll the car back and forth on a flat surface for a bit to make sure the extra silicone works it's way out. Let it dry overnight and trim off any excess. Urethane tires used to tend to stretch (I don't know if that is the case with Paul's tires), take them off a couple times and they don't want to stay on.
gunslinger1352
What is the best glue or material to use for gluing in your opinion Denny.?
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